Curse

Pevil Lihatuh · Jul 07, 2005, 12:38 PM // 12:38

http://news.bbc.co.uk/

I got to work just before 9 this morning, put the radio on, and about 15 minutes later hear about this. Every half hour there were updates on the radio, and from 12 - 1.30 this afternoon has been coverage on the BBC.

Just watched some guy who was on one of the trains that had an explosion. Poor guy was almost in tears. Seems there were 7 explosions in total, one on a bus, 6 at underground stations. Trains collided in teh confusion, all phone networks were switched off in case of remote detonation of further bombs and the whole of central London is closed off, filled with emergency vehicles. Blair is coming straight back down from the G8 summit.

2 fatalities confirmed, possibly as many as 20. Of course, Al-Queda is suspected. Took them two hours to admit it was most likely terrorist. First couple of updates on the radio they were insisting that "the 7 explosions were probably electrical faults"... sure, electrical faults across 6 different stations AND a bus.

On the comments as to why would it be Al-Queda... whether we wanted to go to war or not, we did. We helped America in Iraq and the kind of people to do something like this aren't going to sit back and think "oh wait a minute, we already have america after us for bombing them... better not annoy England too...", no, they're going to think "damn them, think they can sort us out, we'll show them".

I hope no one on these forums, or anyone they know, was affected by this.

Principa Discordia · Jul 07, 2005, 12:43 PM // 12:43

I wouldn't be able to express my opinion without offending somebody right now, so I will refrain. I will, however, say this: -

Scum.

Inde · Jul 07, 2005, 12:43 PM // 12:43

Any crap posted in this thread will be removed.

Crimson Eyes · Jul 07, 2005, 12:47 PM // 12:47

i live in london, my cousin's work place was a road away from the bus which exploded and had the roof top blown off, shes safe now and thank god that she didnt have the early shift.

they attack london because of the G8 summit, all the worlds attention is towards the G8 because its so important of what comes of it, if you attack a country which is already under the spotlight because of something like the G8 talks, then you are magnifying your actions, magnifying the impact. Thats why.

Jawz Swordthane · Jul 07, 2005, 01:11 PM // 13:11

People outside of the US fail to understand this situation. They think that the people of the US are bad guys and Bush is a right-wing cowboy. Unfortunatley this would have eventually happened even if the UK was not in Iraq, it was just a matter of time. These people will stop at nothing in order to try to get what they want. Spain made a huge mistake by backing down to these terrorists. My prayers go out to the people of the UK and although we have our disagreements you are still our closest friends and allies. I hope our government (U.S.) offers as much support as you have offered us in the last few years, in fact I would be outraged if they did not. I just read that some Al-Queada Eurpopean organization took credit for these acts and anyone want a bet where they are based?

Tyil Thunder Arrow · Jul 07, 2005, 01:13 PM // 13:13

Being a military man I can honestly say I feel for all over thee. Unfortunitly now britain knows what America felt like 3 years ago. This topic is very hard to speak about without getting riled up. It's because of Idiots like this that I wound up in the middle East in 2003. God bless all those effected by the this travisty

Principa Discordia · Jul 07, 2005, 01:43 PM // 13:43

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Originally Posted by Tyil Thunder Arrow

Unfortunitly now britain knows what America felt like 3 years ago.

I'm not being funny, but Britain has suffered terrorism for many years.

I'm not trying to derail the topic to a "who's had worse" debate, but I just don't know why people feel the need to say this sort of thing.

Jawz Swordthane · Jul 07, 2005, 01:46 PM // 13:46

Yes the IRA are SOB's too.

Tyil Thunder Arrow · Jul 07, 2005, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

I'm not being funny, but Britain has suffered terrorism for many years.

I'm not trying to derail the topic to a "who's had worse" debate, but I just don't know why people feel the need to say this sort of thing.

I am not trying to belittle the UK and there history with terror attacks. I was just sayin that now Al Queda has made their mark in Britain also if the reports I am hearing are true. So hopefully now more people there will be able to see why it is so important to exterminate these terrorist like you would a common roach. Cowards like this do nothing but steal air from decent human beings.

Principa Discordia · Jul 07, 2005, 01:51 PM // 13:51

Actually this whole incident re-affirms my belief that we should pull out of Iraq and stop annoying these terrorists. Just my opinion though, not open to debate, just an opinion and not a fact.

Tyil Thunder Arrow · Jul 07, 2005, 01:54 PM // 13:54

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Originally Posted by Jawz Swordthane

Yes the IRA are SOB's too.

I will refrain from comment here seing how my whole family is Irish and I still have a lot of family over there.

Inde · Jul 07, 2005, 01:58 PM // 13:58

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Originally Posted by Jawz Swordthane

People outside of the US fail to understand this situation. They think that the people of the US are bad guys and Bush is a right-wing cowboy. Unfortunatley this would have eventually happened even if the UK was not in Iraq, it was just a matter of time. These people will stop at nothing in order to try to get what they want. Spain made a huge mistake by backing down to these terrorists. My prayers go out to the people of the UK and although we have our disagreements you are still our closest friends and allies. I hope our government (U.S.) offers as much support as you have offered us in the last few years, in fact I would be outraged if they did not. I just read that some Al-Queada Eurpopean organization took credit for these acts and anyone want a bet where they are based?

And what makes you so sure? What evidence do you have that this was in planning before the Iraq war?

Speaking of 'ome Al-Queada Eurpopean organization' - that is absolutely unverified. Maybe you should separate fact from unsubstantiated claims.

You speak of not understanding outside of the US - as someone in the US you fail to understand *why* so many people don't like the US.

Blind patriotism helps no one. Least of all you.

Jawz Swordthane · Jul 07, 2005, 01:59 PM // 13:59

Lets see...you are a military man as am I. Last time I looked the UCMJ does not condone the supporting or terrorists orginizations. I am pretty sure that the UCMJ also does not facotr in where you have family. BTW not all people from Ireland support the terrorist organization the IRA either. They are the exact same as the middle-east terrorists.

Loviatar · Jul 07, 2005, 01:59 PM // 13:59

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

Actually this whole incident re-affirms my belief that we should pull out of Iraq and stop annoying these terrorists. Just my opinion though, not open to debate, just an opinion and not a fact.

just an observation please

the first attempt (car bomb) to get a tower was BEFORE iraq and there have been many other attacks by (as an egyptian muslum stated in an official newspaper) islamic militants all BEFORE iraq

simply leaving would not stop them as we still have terrorist prisoners they want released , etc.

my opinion from watching these past events on the news not a history book

Tyil Thunder Arrow · Jul 07, 2005, 02:03 PM // 14:03

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Originally Posted by Jawz Swordthane

Lets see...you are a military man as am I. Last time I looked the UCMJ does not condone the supporting or terrorists orginizations. I am pretty sure that the UCMJ also does not facotr in where you have family. BTW not all people from Ireland support the terrorist organization the IRA either. They are the exact same as the middle-east terrorists.

I never said I supported them so please don't put words where they never were.

Jawz Swordthane · Jul 07, 2005, 02:07 PM // 14:07

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Originally Posted by Inde

And what makes you so sure? What evidence do you have that this was in planning before the Iraq war?

Speaking of 'ome Al-Queada Eurpopean organization' - that is absolutely unverified. Maybe you should separate fact from unsubstantiated claims.

You speak of not understanding outside of the US - as someone in the US you fail to understand *why* so many people don't like the US.

Blind patriotism helps no one. Least of all you.

-Did the towers in New York come down after the war in Iraq?

-Al-Qeada took resposibilty for the bombing in a muslim militant website

- I have lived in Germany, England, Okinawa (Japan), Korea, Saudi Arabia I think I have a pretty good insight into how people percieve us outside the US

- Being in the military, you are absolutley correct as I am a patriot. However, I dont think you can make an assumption of calling me a "blind patriot" after just one post.

Principa Discordia · Jul 07, 2005, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

just an observation please

the first attempt (car bomb) to get a tower was BEFORE iraq and there have been many other attacks by (as an egyptian muslum stated in an official newspaper) islamic militants all BEFORE iraq

simply leaving would not stop them as we still have terrorist prisoners they want released , etc.

my opinion from watching these past events on the news not a history book

Yeah but the way I see it is that too many people focus on the past instead of the present/future.

When Madrid was bombed, Spain said "we get the message", and the message left by the "Al-Qa'ida Europe" specifically said that this bombing was done for the exact same reason. It says that Britain was warned to pull out of Iraq or be bombed, and personally I'd rather take Spain's route rather than annoy them any more and suffer more terrorism.

No doubt someone will say something about that being "surrendering to terror" or something, but I don't see it that way.

EmperorTippy · Jul 07, 2005, 02:12 PM // 14:12

The latest news is that there were 4 explosins, 3 underground (in trains or train stations) and 1 on a bus. Explosives or proof of explosives have been found at the bus site and at 1 of the underground sites. Tony Blair left the G8 summit in scotland to go back to London.

My condolences go out to all those who have lost a friend or loved one in this abhorrent attack on the people of England.

I truly hope that everyone responcible is caught and/or shot.

For the question about whos had the worst my opinion would have to be England/UK and not the USA.

To stop terrisiom you can not give in to them. The only way to stop them is either to exterminate them or ingore them (fix what they messed up and continue with the same policys as before). Terrisiom is a political tool and if it doesn't work it will stop being used but the terrorists have learned that it does work (look at Madrid, by all accounts that bombing cost their Prime Minister the election) so they will continue to use it.

On the question of the invasion in the middle east: I beleive that we should have invaded Afganistan but not Iraq.

Pevil Lihatuh · Jul 07, 2005, 02:17 PM // 14:17

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

Actually this whole incident re-affirms my belief that we should pull out of Iraq and stop annoying these terrorists. Just my opinion though, not open to debate, just an opinion and not a fact.

Agreed. But then its a bit late now I guess *sigh* the age old "do we help them or do we watch our own backs" debate. Lets not get into an argument over if england or america is worse. we could bring up all sorts of arguments involving "lets kill people to save others" or other such things like that for america not invading, and also plenty of reasons for us to pull out to protect ourselves and our loved ones. Ultimately its up to Blair and Bush and there's no point in nitpicking and arguing about it ourselves.

Latest (watching BBC report all afternoon right now):

7 explosions; 6 underground, 1 on the bus. The building near the bus has blood spattered all over the front of it; horrific sight. Over 200 people were treated at one hospital, more are at other hospitals but luckily they are mostly walking wounded. There has also been one more explosion, but controlled by police/army. And traces of explosives have been found at two of the stations involved in the blasts. 2 people are confirmed dead, others are dead from Edgware but no numbers released.

I'm flitting between a few forums I regularly post on right now, hoping to god no one on them has been affected by this. My manager at my previous job has family (parents I believe) in london so i'm hoping they were nowhere near.

Tyil Thunder Arrow · Jul 07, 2005, 02:17 PM // 14:17

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

I'd rather take Spain's route rather than annoy them any more.

I,m sorry but isn't that like sayin that if a bully wants your lunch money you sholdn't stand up for yourself. you should just let him take it.

I was in Iraq for 8 months and 98% of the people want us there, because before that they were held under the boot of a tyrant. I saw what he did I help excavated the mass graves which the largest was over 5000 bodies including women and children. To say that we should leave and let this happen all over again to me is morally wrong( just my opinion doesn't have to be anyone elses.) I hust think if you have the means to help others who can't help themselves then you should.